Album "stupid boring dog" was released today - 13 new songs by Liza Gromova about how the Moscow singer spent the last year. Urban romance and personal experiences are the main themes about which Liza sings in a wonderful voice, loved by listeners from the Ozera group. We talked to her about growing up, inspiration and anonymity.
Interview: Nikita Velichko
Where did the image of a stupid boring dog come from?
This phrase came to my mind in the middle of a party. It was very sad, because I had a certain relationship with the person who was present at it. I couldn't drink, I couldn't have fun. You know when you feel so bad that you don't even want to be drunk. I sat down on the stairs, withdrew into myself and stuck to my right hand - there was either a small scratch, or a scar from an accidental cigarette burn. And the text "Dogs" began to appear in my mind, which I kind of wrote about myself - that I felt like a "stupid boring dog", came to this holiday of life to a person with whom I was still together a couple of weeks ago, and now I sit … It seems like a dog, kind and good, like waiting for something, so loyal and loyal, but like a bad one, and I don't understand anything at all. Stupid because I came, but boring because I sit and miss.
There is such a stereotype that the second album is harder to write. Was it true in your case?
It was basically hard for me as a person, because I am growing up, and something like depression happened to me. But with the writing of the second album - not at all. As Sasha (Pianykh, album producer, member of the Malbek group - Ed.) Said, with the second album we got “the effect of the anti-first album”. Usually the debut and some kind of explosion falls on the first record - in our case, it seems to me, it rather refers to the second.
Why? What was the first then?
I have matured this year. For me, the new album is adult - in terms of emotions, lyrics, approach to writing, how I handle my voice. Everything related to it, about growing up, about improving oneself, about extracting cool, good, and bad from the experience.
For me, "Prelest" does not have any special value. If I was asked: "Will you buy the album" Lovely "in iTunes?", I would say: "No". I will think a thousand times. It seems not to be a pity, but it seems that this is not the album without which I could not live. or which I would like to listen to often. But for the "stupid boring dog", I think I will give how much it costs there in iTunes.
Interestingly, you just said about growing up: "People grow up and become cool usually after they screw up hard and loudly."
Is your growing up related to something like this?
Damn, I screwed up a billion times this year, and not of my own free will. I, judging by my wonderful experience this year, have gone through so many falls - even without ups. Usually, as it happens, they say to you: "Well, life is a swing, up and down …". No, it's all bullshit. Down - down - down - down - down - down - down, and then: “Oh! Smooth! Cool. " And then down again - down - down. There is no other way. At least I think so now.
In general, while writing this album, during the year, I had an eternal flight down. To change, you have to go through a lot of shit. A person does not become good, and even bad, if he is not in an aggravated situation. It’s not only when you feel bad, it’s also when you begin to explore all sorts of your own emotional manifestations. You can think all your life that you are good, and then commit such a betrayal. And you start to review yourself, your life and everything else. Now I'm not talking by my own example, but just the first thing that comes to mind.
Is this downhill flight you're talking about something personal or something you can talk about?
This is both personal and not.And this is not just one flight, but several different ones. I already told a friend once that 2018–2019 is the worst year of my life. So many unforeseen bad situations in my life have never happened at all. All my life I considered myself very lucky, I thought that everything I do, I do for my own good. But it turned out that even what you do for your own good leads you to complete crap. You cannot be ready for some things in advance, you cannot predict them - you trust, you believe that you are doing something good, and then everything turns upside down.
I started writing the album in October. Then my last relationship ended: the final point was set on my birthday or right after. At first, my goal was to release an EP in November, before a solo concert on November 8, about my last relationship. Only three songs from this EP were included on the album: "Swam", "Punishment" and, in fact, the song "After", which is the final one. That is, the chronology of the narrative in the album is broken … No, I somehow changed my mind about telling this story. I don’t know why to remember specific situations - there is the same result. And still this is the last stage, I told about it in my own language.
Was this stage associated with your solo debut?
Absolutely not. I do not have the feeling that I am fully living my creative activity, that it completely takes me away. There is a division into just Lisa and Lisa, who makes music. Not that they are two different people, just two different approaches to life and work.
Last time you told Wonderzine about your favorite albums. Were there any important recordings that you listened to while working on "stupid boring dog"?
No. Perhaps at the initial stage, Sasha and I were thinking about references, we were inspired by something. At one time they listened to Pugacheva - I had a period when I endlessly watched her videos and interviews. Or new albums, but we didn't take them as a basis. I can only say that on "Punishment" and "We were always not" the reference for the sound of the guitar, I took the Foals group, because I really like their guitar presentation: both hard and a little floating. The song "Time" at some point resembles Massive Attack - we did not take them as a basis, but it's great that it turned out associatively with them. And the song "Swam" - at first it was generally in a different musical version - we did it under "I Follow Rivers" by Lucca Lee.
After the release of "Prelest" you said: "I do not feel like a part of all this until the end, but I am cool." Has this feeling been preserved?
Yes. Probably, music takes up most of my time, and for new acquaintances and in the circle of friends, I am, first of all, “Liza, who makes music”. But at the same time, I do not fully identify myself as a musician, I believe that I am a lyricist. What I would really like to do all the time is write lyrics. What I actually do - it just turned into a musical history.
Are you still tutoring in Russian literature?
Well, now everyone has a vacation, since September I am thinking of making a new stuffing. I don’t want to quit teaching because I’m interested in it, and there is such a cool phrase: “If you want to succeed in something, start teaching it”. Therefore, since I am engaged in textual creativity, writing texts - literature will help me!
Do you also have literary or poetic ambitions?
I would like to publish a book. A collection of poems or prose texts. Plus, I have letters that are not intended to be sent, which I periodically write when I am overwhelmed, addressing someone: to people, to some situations, to myself. I thought that if I decided to release merch, I would like it to be a book.
Why, when “Lakes” started, was it an anonymous project for a long time?
It was Petina (Marticha, the second participant of "Ozers" and a member of the group "Pasos" - Approx. ed.) idea, because when we met him, I was very small and young. I didn’t know how to write anything and didn’t think I could.And Petya already had projects, and he had such an idea: how to understand if what you are doing has potential and how to unleash it. Considering that you already have so many connections, if you say: “Here, I made a project, how about posting it here,” - probably everyone will post it. And he - and we automatically - did not want it to happen in this format. Therefore, we decided to make an anonymous project and kept it a secret from our friends.
A well-known story, when we were called, it seems, at Moscow Music Week. Russel wrote to us (Rahman - Approx. ed.) from the group "Thank you", because he was leading some showcase: "Yo, guys, we want to invite you, you are great." We know Russell, but he does not know that it is us. And Styopa Kazaryan also wrote to the post office that he wanted to invite us to speak, and we ignored, infuriated everyone, and he sat next to us, saying: “Damn, these fucking“Lakes”don't answer me! Who do they think they are? " It was funny that for a long time we led our acquaintances and friends who are involved in concerts and festivals by the nose.
So it wasn't because you felt insecure?
No no. Plus, you know, I didn't want our music to be associated with specific people. People, as characters, influence the music, what they do. Here's a stupid example: Many people stop supporting artists when it turns out that they have committed harassment. In our case, it's not about harassment: it's just that there is already a certain opinion about Petya as a musician. About me it was not, but still I did not want to be attached to the personality, I wanted only the music that we do to play a role.
And when you realized it worked, did you decide to stop being anonymous?
No, we didn’t understand that it works and we can stop doing it. It's just that I selfishly wanted to be known, and as a result, at some festival I came out without a mask. Well, Petya, respectively, too - I persuaded him to do it somehow. Plus it wasn't always convenient. I have already told a thousand times that I have poor eyesight, I don’t wear lenses, and when you are wearing a mask, you don’t see anything, where you are going, how you step. Petya was always like my bodyguard - he held me by the handle when we went down the stairs so that I would not just fall.
You told The VIllage: “And then I realized that I was making a pop product and many people might not understand my language. It seems beautiful and simple, but I have met a lot of people who said: "I really don't understand what it means to live according to a plan, but without hope." And I decided to simplify the texts. "
It was on the "Prelest". You know, "Lovely" is a transitional stage. Do not get out of yourself, but simply: "I'll do it like this." Well yes, good. And you are not doing something over and above, you are making an even history, because you have learned to do something. But “stupid boring dog”, it seems to me, even in some moments where there are not super cool images and veiled phrases, where everything is very simply written, it still adds up to something full-fledged, self-sufficient and, again, adult.
That is, you have no desire to simplify something to make it more accessible to the audience, roughly speaking?
Well no. On the contrary, I have a constant desire to somehow be sophisticated. Sometimes I stop myself or not: it depends on the mood, and not on the ultimate goal. In fact, you do everything for yourself. All the fucking selfish And I, in my opinion, already tweeted that all musicians are not about “we make music for someone”, but rather “oh my God, look how great I can suffer, how cool I can love, and how I can do it here coolly. " It's all about it. It's just that everyone chooses their language. And, probably, the point is in the presentation and in the image - how you position yourself. But in fact, we're all fucking selfish anyway.
If “dog” is a more adult story, then “Lakes” was more childish?
“Lakes” is a separate story altogether. “Lakes” is like the coolest dream that you will remember all your life. But dreams can be dreamed of by children, adults, and in general anyone.For me, this is probably incomparable with anything at all. It seems to me that in “Ozyory” I said and did more than in all the time of any creative self-knowledge and creative realization. It was clean, it was beautiful, good, and for me this is some kind of big indicator … of me. Well, including Petya, because without him “Lakes” would definitely not exist.
But at the same time "Lakes" are over forever? They said that it was predetermined that this was not a large-scale project
On the contrary, it seems to me that this is a very large-scale project.
Incidentally, it seemed to me so too
You see, we had no goal of spreading it to the masses. We didn't have a goal at all, in fact we just did it. And it was cool. Why do I say that for me "Lakes" is an amazingly large-scale project: it is clean, it is alive, it is human, it is about everything. Even if it’s about sadness, it’s only about light. Until now, it seems to me that Lakes are not something that reminds of themselves - people continue to love them, listen as if it were an unfinished story. She just started living in a different way, on her own.
When they say that the project is over "forever", I usually answer with a line from the song "Secrets": "You just have to close your eyes / Start all stories over again." That is, this is a moment, again, about dreams. You still watch some films, re-read some books and listen to some music. Does this mean the story is over? No. You cannot change a story that has already been written, for example, when you re-watch a film on cassette. You can pause it, you can speed it up, you can rewind it - in fact, the story is the same, but the way you interact with it and the way you control it creates a new story. Here "Lakes", it seems to me, is about it.
But the dream itself is over, and you, rather, only remember it?
Sometimes you can have the same dreams over and over again.
Photos: Liza Gromova